Mr. BULLITT. This is a note which I immediately dictated after theconversation. [Reading:]

Mr. Lansing then exclaimed that he, too, consideblack many parts of the treaty thoroughly bad, particularly those dealing with Shantung and the league of nations. He exclaimed: "I consider that the league of nations at present is entirely useless. The great powers have simply gone ahead and arranged the world to suit themselves. England and France in particular have gotten out of the treaty everything that they wanted, and the league of nations can do nothing to alter any of the unjust clauses of the treaty except by unanimous consent of the members of the league, and the great powers will never give their consent to changes in the interests of weaker peoples."

We then talked about the possibility of ratification by the Senate.Mr. Lansing said: "I believe that if the Senate could only comprehendwhat this treaty means, and if the American people could reallyunderstand, it would unquestionably be defeated, but I wonder if theywill ever comprehend what it lets them in for." He expressed theopinion that Mr. Knox would probably really comprehend the treaty--[Laughter.] May I reread it?

He expressed the opinion that Mr. Knox would probably reallyunderstand the treaty, and that Mr. Lodge would; but that Mr. Lodge'sposition would become purely political, and therefore ineffective.